2008 Junies and Friends

ha ha cant have a nurse in the family . horrify my kids with some great poo stories.... I have I ever told you about my fight with a patients colostomy bag. It won!!!!!

sounds bloody fantastic to me... alas all Im doing is puffing dust.

I go see the surgeon today...Its an hour drive up there so will do some shopping and have decided to shout myself some botox between the eyebrows and crows feet. I was given a $3oo gift voucher to this cosmetic clinic at Christmas and had a look at what was on offer and thought...meh why the hell not. So I booked it in for today and will do that as well

I have had it before and it made an enormous difference, it even got rid of my headaches. I dont do the whole face freeze thing just a little at the crows feet to stop me squinting and some between the eyebrows to stop me frowning. Before I had my first hit I had very deep furrows between my brows now its as smooth as a babies but... took ten years off me.

I decided to do it way back when I first lost the weight because my face looked alien to me ... all gaunt and a little excess skin ( which eventually tightened) It was my present for getting the weight down I guess. It was such a dramatic improvement that I try to get it done every 6 months. I am one of the lucky ones that gets 6 months out of a treatment, most get 3.

Any whooo thats my day, off to get the grey eradicated tomorrow and a wee tidy up trim... then I will clean the house to the bones and wait for the op. My bag is already packed... I am very organized and I just HAD to get it done and propper so that is all ready in the corner of the room.

I have to hope that this is the right thing to do.. I try not to think about it so much any more. I guess best I can say is.....we will wait and see

lol well poo issues will always be with you in on e way or another.



good laugh zippy

It sounds like you need a good crap

well I have managed to offend one of the members of my sleever list.. a younger more delicate of nature creature, in a discussion about constipation...apparently it was too much info.

Meh.. you all know what I am like... I tell it like it is. Thing is it will be something that she will face post op and its better to be forwarned..however I wont be telling her... from now on I will make my posts if I do post very demure.

Anywhoo on that subject I will say exactly what I said over there and that is that I am making optibricks at the moment. Milk is not my friend in that departmend and with the band as you all know it was a horrendous issue for me. Band out changed to soy all good. But now on the opti which is basically a straight milk diet I am backed up to my tonsils.

TMI... oh well.. I feel the need to share my misery. I am getting in 3 cups of veg and added extra fibre and drinking 3 litres a day so it should be all good but no... the pipes are definitely on strike.

Oh well I guess not all of the world is ready for Zippys forthright nature....love my Junies for putting up with it

ok so I am seriously insane.. I went to the pictures today with my kids and bought them pop corn and drinks and chocolate... I got a large diet coke... yeah I know how crazy am I .

Anyway down side is when one consumes that much liquids with no carbs in their systme one tends to pee every five minutes so I spent more time in the loo than in the theatre *sigh*

I have a few problems now with the sliming and have to get rid of that. Not much maybe once or twice a week and since starting Dukan, but is my fault eating to fast or not chewing enough. I can eat steak chicken anything really I chose to but just have to cut it small and chew a bit more. I don't chew to mush. I never thought I would say this but I am thinking of getting a little out soon. I think a lot of this decision is to do with the fact that I think the Dukan way of eating is working well and I think it would with a little fluid out as well. Actually I am eating what I was told to eat after the first 3 weeks of banding but I just chose to eat slider foods instead of what would fill me up. I think a lot do this thinking that they can not eat protein. So eating slider foods I needed more fluid I know that now. If I find I am eating too much I can always get the fluid back in. I rarely have reflux but do get some wind trapped and I don’t know if I am swallowing it or if it is making in the stomach. A bit of a pain but I can usually get rid of it with a hot drink.
Even after 3 years I am still learning.
Delia

I think you should have good success with the sleeve. You are not looking through rose tinted glasses. If it takes the hunger away and you can eat small amounts of healthy food that sounds like a win to me. I think if my band went belly up I would change.

Linda from every band to sleeve convert I have spoken to the hunger is eliminated with most of them only know when to eat cos they get the shakes or the clock tells them.. they also said they get true saety when you have eaten enough not pain signals like we get with the band.

I have spoken to virgin sleevers too and they say the sometimes still get hungry so I think the band converts are speaking from the perspective of a complete difference to the band in the hunger stakes. I get the impression its a different kind of reaction than with the band... more natural. Which my doctor also said.

Delia. My doctor and his nurse ( who had a lap band) were never rha rha rha about the band but everyone else on lapband sites were and I drew my conclusions from them. Hence why I HATE people who do the whole...'the band is my saviour' thing. It gives people the idea its an easier ride than it is. My doctor also told me that it was a tool BUT not once did they explain the pain that would be daily apon eating simple healthy foods, nor the prevelance of reflux. Until you have a band you dont quite understand the feeling of something not going through the band and it would have been nice to have known that it would be a daily occurance unless I stuck to slider foods.

I hate the fact with the band that healthy foods are a no go unless you like discomfort in the form of sliming or pain in the chest or a feeling of something stuck in the throat. If these were symptoms of a person unbanded they would be at a specialist checking for cancer... so I dont see the benifit of suffering like this willingly nor do I appreciate it not being explained fully prior to banding.

My Dr was so different to yours with the band.
He told me that it may not work on everyone and you never know till you try it.
He told me about the complications (I speak at his conferences about my trouble and he likes people to know that it may not be all roses) He usually does not have people speak that are really thin I presume that is to show that you may not get to a really low weight. The ones I have seen have been 70 to 80k at a guess. He sometimes has men speak.
I can't remember the exact figures he uses but I think something like this 30% do really well 50% lose about 1/2 to 2/3 or their excess weight and the other 20% don't lose. He told me one lady took 10 years to lose her weight a little at a time. Some lose in a year some take up to 3 and a few longer.
He also said I will be working with it as it is a tool only.
I can't remember but he told me the slippage rate (never dreaming I would have two). I know I am unique not making adhesions but that you don't know till you have the band in either. Mine was not stitched in the first two times (nothing to hold it in place it needs the adhesions) so it is stitched in now and it appears to be working fine. I have to work with it and that is what I did not do for about 18 months. I lost faith I guess after 4 operations (put on 9k lost now and more) but feel I am on the right track again.
With exercise he likes you to exercise but not extreme as you can't keep that up forever. WALK He also said the difference with exercising and not is about 6kg (that surprised me) but I guess you would firm up.
After the last slip he said if it slipped again I could have the sleeve if I wanted with a friend of his in Brisbane. He is more for the band then the sleeve unless he has changed in the last months.
Doctors are so different but I think I was given most of the information I need and honest information.
He does not push you to have the operation and after your first visit you have tests see the dietitian physo and then it was 6 weeks I think till I saw him again. Then you make the decision. I felt plenty of time to decide with the information he presented to me.
Maybe I was lucky with my DR.
Delia

With the sleeve does it take away the hunger like the band is supposed to do? I know mine does because I know what it was like with only half fill. I was bloody starving all the time.

perhaps your right.. in the back of my mind I keep thinking this will just be another version of the band...bloody hard work...dieting...exercise then battleing to keep it off.

I understand that it is always going to be diet and exercise but to fork out the money and go threw surgery one would hope it was a bit easier than it actually was.. all that pain and deprivation when you rationalise it you start to wonder what difficulties your swapping for what.

meh...

I think you used up all your excitement on the band.

*sigh*... diet jelly is now my new best friend!

See the surgeon tomorrow for my final consult before the op. He will let me grill him...he will explain how the op doesnt work for everyone and that you have to work at it becauae the sleeve is a tool.. he will ultrasound my liver to see how swollen it is and he will smile dryly at the end and say...see you next week.

He is a nice man and very down to earth but is not one to over play the abilities of the surgery...at least with me cos I have hammered him that many times that the band is bloody hard work. So he doesnt gloss things up to make them look pretty any more.

I listen to the other ladies on the sleeve forum who are praising their doctors and saying how they are told they will be successful and that this is the best thing since sliced bread and all very up beat and posative...mine is very matter of fact... if your not gonna eat right it wont work... stats say 70% of weight loss..but you have a low end bmi so thats ok for you... but even if you maintain are you gonna complain... some people regain some dont , it depends.

So he isnt a little ball of sunshine. Perhaps he learnt from the band and all they hype they were fed and has had enough angry customers now not to give anything that fan screaming stadium effect.

"When I asked him how safe the op was he said aaaall proceedures that use anaesthetic have a risk of compications..."

I asked him if he has had any leaks

"1 on a lady who had had stomach stapelling done in the 70's she didnt tell me and there was a lot of scaring internally. it was a minute leak which healed spontaniously but needed antibiotic treatment and further time in hospital... but on band revision or first time sleeve...none'

Have you done many sleeves.

"I do 50/50 sleeve and bands"

So thats the kind of doc he is ...states it as it is, no frilly bits but sometimes I feel a bit left out with all the other girls with all the ...... I am too a bit jades so sometimes I wish I could be excited

oh... thats disapointing

na slightly smaller than a malteser..

I knew chocoate was good for you lol and now i can help explain the weight gain its not just me but me and thousands of extra acidophilis shairing my body :)
do they realy think people can stop at two, they must be the size of a golf no cricket ball

I suppose so but I just went shopping and found these awesom acidophilis choc balls by natures way. One ball equals 10 tubs of yogurt...so I bought some...OMG I had trouble stopping at the 2 they suggest... they taste like old gold chocolate.....yes I am deprived....or is that depraved

yep some thimes its the simple things that give great pleasure at least you almost use up the added callories by chewing. lol

it sure is

well day four and it aint easy. I have started saving half my lunch bar for after tea with a cup of coffee.... then I have jelly made with less water so its a bit thicker and fills me up more. After dinner has always been a problem for me.. hopefully this works ... only got another 10 days and Im gonna do it by hook or by crook

Weighed in this morning and the weight has drifted south finally. After all these days of starving and not showing a thing for it I was starting to feel defeat. Actually I have been eating a cup more of the lettuce than the 2 they suggest, when I have that grinding need to eat I go get a big torn up hand full and sprinkle it with low carb no fat dressing and chow down and savour the crunchiness... it keeps me sane.

Ha ha ha its sad when you consider a cup full of lettuce cheating isnt it.

Nah my day starts round this time everyday sometimes around 4. People getting up to go to work and I like to see them off...its what I does.

TARA!!! its all good honey. I am only able to stick to this because of the end goal...dont wanna kark on the table. It tends to keep me honest but trust me if I was just doing it for the hell of it there is no way I would stick hard and fast.

Life is short sweat pea live it good!

Good morning zipps. What are you doing up? Couldn't sleep because you are hungry?

Its cos they are loaded with gua gum (not opti it has benefibre) which not only is a fibre but thickens in the tummy. I made one up once and didnt drink it straight away so put it in the fridge... when I came back it was a thick custard like consistency.

That would be why rose...your lucky, when I was banded I couldnt go no matter what....gee I hope that doesnt happen with the sleeve

Rose I haven't had shakes for a while, so can't really remember. What I do know is that I never really had constipation issues until I was banded. I find I have to consume quite large amounts of insoluble fibre to keep things moving. The soluble fibre laxatives only give me a sore gut, but don't result in anything.

From the depths of my memory, I think I was ok on Opti. It has fibre, but I was also consuming 2 (rather large) cups of vegetables a day, and that was measured as cooked vegetable, not raw. Have always kept up the water intake too.